Anna : Hi everyone. Welcome back to the Magic Towns Italy podcast! I’m Anna.
Gill : And I’m Gill! And today we’ve had the pleasure of interviewing Shelby Canon from Michigan. She spent many years of her life as a nurse, but was kind of feeling restless and unsatisfied with her life. She eventually ended up in Italy.
Anna : Dans cet épisode, elle parle du visa, de la recherche d'un appartement, qui a été assez difficile, de la recherche d'un emploi et de ce à quoi ressemble réellement la première année.
Gill : Pouvons-nous donc commencer à écouter son histoire ?
Anna : Oui.
Shelby : J'ai 34 ans. J'ai déménagé à Florence en novembre 2024. J'ai grandi dans la banlieue de Détroit, dans le Michigan.
Dans ma vingtaine, j'ai déménagé dans le Colorado et j'y ai vécu pendant huit ans. J'ai toujours eu l'idée que j'allais devenir infirmière. J'ai toujours été obsédée par l'idée de [00:01:00] voyager et j'ai l'impression d'avoir traîné ma vie.
Et je pense que toute cette histoire d'Italie a commencé quand j'avais 29 ans. C'était après le COVID. Je suis allée en Asie du Sud-Est. Pendant six mois. Je rêvais d'un grand voyage en sac à dos et pour moi, prendre six mois de congé me paraissait insensé.
When you live in the US there’s this idea that there’s an upward trajectory of your career and you have to follow that, making more money, being rich.
And I took six months off, which actually turned into a year off of work. But that taught me that you don’t have to follow the career path that was set for you in your early twenties.
I was back at home in Michigan. And I got a job at a hospital that I thought that I was gonna love and I hated it. I was miserable. I decided to quit that job and go to Italy for three months on a solo trip. That trip changed everything and there’s a lot of reasons for that. Within the first month of that trip, I kind of decided that I was gonna move to Italy, and [00:02:00] me and my dog moved here in November of 2024.
Anna : J'ai l'impression que ce genre de voyage en solitaire vous fait réaliser beaucoup de choses. Surtout quand on va en Asie du Sud-Est, parce qu'on voit à quel point la vie y est différente, à quel point leurs priorités sont différentes des nôtres.
Shelby : Et d'un point de vue introspectif, cela m'a fait sortir de ma zone de confort parce que j'ai grandi avec beaucoup de chance, de privilèges, je suppose. Je suis sorti de ce voyage comme une personne complètement différente.
Anna : Et le voyage en Italie a en quelque sorte confirmé ce que vous pensiez probablement après cela.
Shelby : Within the first two weeks of that solo trip in Italy, it was my 32nd birthday. And I feel like that date, there’s like a before Shelby, and then there’s an after Shelby.
Ce jour-là, j'ai rencontré dans ma vie des personnes qui avaient l'étoffe d'âmes sœurs.
So that’s what made me initially start to think like, this is where I’m supposed to be. But in [00:03:00] reality when I was in Italy, when I was in Florence, it was the first time in my life that I felt that I was like, okay, this is, this is it. Thank you. This is where I’m supposed to be.
Anna : Et pourquoi, de tous les endroits d'Italie, Florence ?
Shelby : One of my friends had been here before and she just told me, I think you would like Florence. I’ve always had an attraction to Italy. I don’t have any family from Italy. I’ve always liked Italian themed, like movies, documentaries.
J'ai eu l'impression de rentrer chez moi, d'être déjà venue ici. Je me suis sentie très à l'aise dès le premier jour.
Bien sûr, le fait de s'installer ici est une toute autre histoire, mais c'est l'expérience que j'ai vécue lors de ce voyage qui m'a fait prendre cette décision.
Anna : J'aime à penser qu'il y avait un lien avec le passé, comme, vous savez...
Shelby : Absolument.
Je traversais une période de deuil et de déchirement, mais j'étais aussi dans un endroit magnifique, je rencontrais des gens et j'apprenais l'italien parce que je m'étais inscrite à des cours de langue pendant ce voyage juste pour rencontrer des gens, mais j'ai fini par apprendre la langue très rapidement, ce qui m'a aidée à prendre la décision de venir m'installer ici.
Anna : Et comment était votre idée de l'Italie ? Vous avez dit que vous aviez ressenti un lien, mais qu'est-ce que la réalité a confirmé ou complètement détruit ?
Shelby : Um, confirmed. There’s a much slower pace of life here. Absolutely. I love that there’s a big focus on like slowing down and making connections and like longer meal times and the work life balance. There’s not this obsessive idea of climbing the career ladder here, which I know can also be a downside because that also means that a lot of things don’t get done, you know?
Anna : Oui, c'est vrai.
Shelby : Like I can’t deny that I still have a very American mindset when it comes to something bureaucratic and official. And I feel like a lot of my content is me struggling with, having to navigate this like: ” well, I don’t know. I’m not the person to ask”. But that also can be a very [00:05:00] endearing thing about Italy is just like, it’s gonna work out fine, it’s gonna be fine.
I have to admit that there’s been a transition of trying to leave my old American beliefs behind and trying to adjust and assimilate to this culture.
Anna : La culture du lâcher-prise.
Shelby : The culture of letting go, it’s out of my control. It’s gonna be fine. It’s not that serious. Calm down.
Anna : So you said that you didn’t speak any Italian before moving.
Shelby : When I came on my solo trip I did not speak any Italian. I knew like some very basic sentences from Duolingo. I think the first sentence that I learned was: ” I ragazzi bevono l’acqua”.
Anna : Oh my God. Which is basically the equivalent of “the pen is on the table” for us.
Shelby : Vraiment ?
Anna : Oui, c'est vrai.
Shelby : That’s, it’s just super, like, basic. And I took very, very little Duolingo. And then I came to Italy. I thought I knew how to order a coffee, but I did not know how to order a coffee.
J'ai dû utiliser Google translate, bien sûr, pour naviguer de la gare à mon Airbnb et quand j'ai pris des cours d'italien [00:06:00], j'ai vraiment appris très vite. Cela m'a permis d'apprendre très rapidement et j'étais capable de formuler des petites phrases au commerçant et j'étais tellement fière de moi.
I was like, oh my God, I’m speaking another language. I would study and I did flashcards all the time. About eight weeks into taking Italian classes, I met my current boyfriend who I live with now. And he didn’t speak any English at all.
J'étais comme sur Tinder ici en Italie.
And I met him. I knew that he didn’t speak any English and I was like, what’s the worst that can happen? Whatever. And so he picks me up on his Vespa and we go to Piazza Michelangelo for our first date. It was the first time that I really had conversation with someone who does not speak English. It wasn’t like: “Hey, where’s the bathroom? Can I order this pasta?” “What’s this? It was actually like, so what do you like to do in your free time?” It was super crazy, but for some reason we’re still [00:07:00] together, so..
Anna : Maintenant, vous parlez italien ensemble ?
Shelby : Je parle italien toute la journée, pratiquement tous les jours.
Anna : That’s amazing. So you’re lucky ’cause you’re forced to, to learn
Shelby : Forcé,
Anna : Oui,
Shelby : basically. I can’t believe that he stuck it out with me because it was probably so frustrating talking to me because I didn’t, you know, he is Moroccan, so he’s also a foreigner to Italy, so he has helped me with, everything like the transition of moving here, like the emotional part of it, the language bureaucratic stuff. He understands that side of it. So it’s been really helpful and I feel like him and I both have our own language together because he is a foreigner to Italy.
Anna : En parlant de bureaucratie, quel visa avez-vous demandé ? Était-ce compliqué ou... ?
Shelby : Après mon voyage en solitaire, je suis rentré chez moi et j'ai cherché le moyen le plus rapide de m'installer en Italie en tant qu'Américain. Et ce que je voyais toujours, qui [00:08:00] correspondait à mon expérience précédente dans mon école de langue italienne, c'était d'obtenir un visa d'études.
J'ai déboursé beaucoup d'argent, je me suis inscrite pour une année entière de cours de langue, j'ai demandé un visa d'études avec toute la paperasserie nécessaire.
That part was very smooth. My embassy in Detroit approved me very quickly, and then it was like, oh my God, I’m moving to Italy. Okay. And then I moved my dog here. That was a whole process. You have to take your dog to a vet. They have to make sure the vaccines are in order.
Ils doivent signer tous ces documents. Il faut avoir une caisse et réserver un billet d'avion. J'ai fait beaucoup de recherches sur les avions. C'était un long processus. Mais finalement, je suis arrivée ici avec ce visa et, techniquement, mon permesso di soggiorno est toujours à l'étude.
Anna : D'accord.
Shelby : After a year and a half I’m still trying to figure out my long-term plan, and I guess I’ll be [00:09:00] very clear. I don’t have it figured out yet.
Anna : I didn’t want to ask you about that because I know that it’s a really, like, you can feel the anxiety of that question, so I didn’t want to, to ask. I’m a huge fan of just figuring out things while you’re doing them, so.
Shelby : I think it’s going to work out. I still believe in my decision 100%. And that’s what’s keeping me going is my intuition is telling me that it’s fine. We’re still here.
I think anyone who’s ever considering moving to Italy, I think the biggest piece of advice or the thing that I would say is that you have to be willing to accept whatever opportunities come to you. For example, I, I never in my life thought that I would be a preschool teacher, which I am now. If you would’ve told me that three years ago, I would’ve called you crazy. There’s no way. But that’s what opportunity came to me and I had to [00:10:00] take it, you know?
Anna : Absolument.
Shelby : So it’s having flexibility and just letting the universe like give you what is supposed to happen in the street, the path that’s given to you, I guess.
And I spent a year, my first year here, I wasn’t working. I couldn’t find a job I really struggled with, because, you know, if you’ve seen, I don’t know if you’ve seen like my Instagram, my themes of my videos, but the main thing that I struggled with was how delayed my permesso was.
Anna : Mm-hmm.
Shelby : This year of like not working in Italy and just staying at home and saving as much money as physically possible has taught me so much about the things that I’m actually interested in. Like I love reading. I love writing. I love making clothes apparently.
Anna : Yeah. And another common theme that I saw in your videos is finding an apartment in Florence that you said that was, oh, that wasn’t that easy. How was the process?
Shelby : So yeah, it’s still a struggle. When I first moved to [00:11:00] Italy in the beginning, I needed, for my visa application, I needed a place to stay. And so I reached out to the last Airbnb that I had stayed in, in Florence for a month. I reached out to that family and I asked if I could rent that apartment, which is this one.
If I could rent that apartment for my visa application, so for just for a couple months just to have something and then when I’m here, I would figure it out. Didn’t know how difficult that actually was to do.
So I’m still here in that same apartment I am. I’m not paying Airbnb prices, but I’m still paying more than what’s normal in this area. So that’s a huge downside. My boyfriend and I started to get serious about looking for apartments in the summer or like the late summer, and we contacted probably over a hundred, 200 people online.
I contacted like hundreds of people on those apps and [00:12:00] very few people got back to me. I’ve spoken Italian to ’em, but I feel like they heard my accent and their first question was like, where are you from?
Anna : Mm.
Shelby : And they’re like, oh, I’m American. And they’re like, oh, where’s your boyfriend from? And I said, oh, he’s Moroccan. I had two people, I’m not kidding. Two landlords hang up on me. And I thought that like the phone just, just the phone just disconnected. So I tried to call back a couple times and no one answered. That happened to me twice.
Anna : My God. I’m sorry for these people.
Shelby : It was so difficult. It was, you know, why are you here in Italy? How long are you planning to stay? Well, when are you gonna move back to the us? Like, how much money do you have? What, well, what are you doing for work? What kind of contract do you have? Oh, I don’t know if we can do that. I, so it’s been, and my boyfriend works at a really great job here, and so I think just they think that I’m very transient and I’m trying to explain to them like, that’s not the case. I’m here. I think having a lawyer at the beginning of all this would’ve helped me a lot.
Mais les informations sur la residenza ne sont pas très [00:13:00] claires en ligne, notamment en ce qui concerne les règles, pourquoi avez-vous besoin de la residenza ? Comment l'obtenir ?
Anna : Mm-hmm.
Shelby : But after that really intense search where we got ghosted by landlords all the time, we got turned down by so many apartments. we finally just said, we need to take a break. I can’t do this anymore. So we took a few months off and right now we’re slowly getting back into the apartment hunt.
Maintenant que j'ai un petit travail, maintenant que son travail est plus stable, j'ai des documents certifiés de ma mère comme garant. Souhaitez-nous bonne chance !
Anna : Absolutely. Basically, finding an apartment is like, having to do lots of job interviews every time it’s the same feeling.
Shelby : This last one that we toured asked me and my boyfriend how long we’ve been together, do we plan on getting married?
Ils entrent dans le vif du sujet.
C'est juste que cela demande beaucoup d'énergie mentale de taper autant de messages d'introduction.
And I do [00:14:00] believe that everything works out the way it’s supposed to. So I think taking a slowing down and taking a break. That’s how I got my job. I was getting turned down. I wasn’t getting interviews, and then very suddenly after a long break, I just got a job as a preschool teacher. It’s one of the massive lessons that I’m forced to be taught right now. Living in Italy is just like, slow down Shelby. It’s gonna work out. I just wish that wasn’t, that lesson wasn’t so expensive.
Anna : Quel est le coût de la vie à Florence ?
Shelby : I think it’s more than, if you were outside of Florence, you know? Yeah. I think grocery wise, on average together, me and my boyfriend, we spend like 50 to 70 euros per week. Public transportation, you know, I think it’s the same across Italy. But I think apartment wise, I think on average you would, for a apartment of that, we want something that has one or two bedrooms in it would be 900 to 1400 a month.
I think [00:15:00] that’s pretty standard. And I know Rome isn’t much better.
Anna : No, definitely. Even finding an apartment was a nightmare. I spent hours, hours refreshing. You know, the page from my laptop for I don’t know how many days and then I found like one, which is okay.
Shelby : Il faut être flexible et prendre ce que l'on a.
Anna : Absolument.
Shelby : It’s another thing that I’ve had to adjust because, now looking at my American self, I was so picky about the stupidest stuff, you know, like what my apartment had to look like, what kind of, what kind of material was on the cabinets and like what the kitchen looked like.
It’s just, it’s the massive lesson of like learning how to be flexible with our non flexible American brains.
Anna : Votre mode de vie a-t-il beaucoup changé depuis votre déménagement ?
Shelby : Yes. ‘Cause I don’t spend money on frivolous dumb [00:16:00] things that you’re taught that you need, in the US there’s over, over consumerism. I mean, if you go to any of the major supermarkets or super stores.
It’d be really interesting for an Italian to go into Costco, which is one of our huge super superstore in in the Us where you buy wholesale, so you buy an orange juice that’s this big for less money.
It’s, it’s so different, but I’m, I like it more not doing that.
It’s a very special occasion when we go out to eat at a restaurant now. It’s very different and I think that has a lot to do with, my current status.
I’m only allowed to work 20 hours per week with a study permesso. Anyway, so. Now that I am working and I’m getting a little bit of money, I’m still trying to just spend as little money as possible, huge lifestyle difference than when I was in the us for sure.
Anna : Si vous pouviez envoyer un message à [00:17:00] votre moi passé juste avant le déménagement, que diriez-vous ?
Shelby : Wow. I wanna just say like, there’s a completely different life waiting for you. You just have to trust everything that’s about to happen to you in the next three months. There’s gonna be a lot of things that suck, but a lot of things that are amazing. Just trust it. And just your intuition is everything.
If I could talk to 2020 Shelby, and if I were to say, “Hey, by the way, in 2024, in 2025, you’re gonna live in Italy, you’re gonna speak Italian every day, and you’re gonna have a boyfriend that you’re in love with that doesn’t speak English, and you’re gonna be working as a preschool teacher, like I would’ve been like, how? In five years it’s gonna be my life? What?”
Anna : Yeah. In five years you’ve completely changed it. That’s crazy, and beautiful at the same time. Thank you so much, Shelby.
Gill : Quelle histoire ! Elle était si courageuse. Elle est partie avec, vous savez, son propre [00:18:00] sac à dos et ses rêves, et elle a tout laissé derrière elle.
Anna : Je pense que peu de gens feraient cela.
Malgré tous les inconvénients, elle a décidé que c'était l'endroit idéal pour elle.
Gill : Et nous lui souhaitons, vous le savez, la dolce vita.
Anna : La dolce vita, oui. Donc, oui. Si vous voulez lire l'intégralité de l'interview, vous pouvez visiter notre site web.
Gill : Bon week-end à tous.
Anna : Je vous souhaite un bon week-end.
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